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There is a problem with the term the counter-reformation.

Modern devotion - been going on since early 15th century (well before anything like protestantism, generations before Luther came along).

(Vague examples)

-Modern Devotion
-Implication of not wanting reform
-Church responding to heretical
-Politics
-Reform - Savanarola
-Issues with Church hierarchy
-Imitation
-Erasmus
-Christian Humanism
-Monastic reform
-Hermetic magicians

(look at sheet)

broader political alliances (charles the Fifth) There's reform going on in this long stretch of history in the Church but obviously we are seeing something different in the 16th century - and we may refer to this as the Tridentine Reformation.

With just the term counter-reformation we bring on the implications (inaccurate) of the Church not wanting reform or not reforming at all yet.

Reform movement in monasteries, intellectuals, those interested in modern devotion. There are no pushes for reform among the higher levels of the echelons of the Church until the 16th century.

The recalcitrance, hesitance or disinterest of the former Popes does not make Pope Paul III a great pope. Family favouritism - shortcomings.

Nevertheless, Pope Paul III was very interested in the catholic reform issues and so he attempted to elevate the issues be nominating several vocal reformers as cardinals.

Council of Trent is our yardstick for Tradentine reform.

The report was buried - but also leaked, printed and distributed in some protestant regions (Germany especially).

It fuelled the protestant cause and had little impact on Church reform.